Thu Jun 15 06:59:59 UTC 2017
Almost forgot to start this post today.
I'm thinking I should put more of my political and I guess "liberal" thinking here.
Might be a good way to verify some of my knowledge and worldview, as well.
Next time I fall into reading about politics and stuff I'll post thinking here instead of keeping it in my brain.
Also, should write down thoughts about shows I watch more.
Thu Jun 15 07:40:46 UTC 2017
Welp, I'm going to put transcripts or recollections of conversations of these things in this diary. I think that'll be a good first start.
This will be cleaned-up later.
congrats on the new last name
Rory
heh
i don't want people finding me
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Rory
i rage quit for reasons and now facebook is a specific tool
which is chatting with people whom prefer messenger
same reason i have skype still
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I haven't blogged in ages, but I've been making a lot of little "serious posts" on my facebook feed lately.
Rory
that's the same reason my mentor (redacted) stopped blogging as much
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like 2-3 paragraph mini thinkpieces while sharing links to stuff. It's weird, but it's satisfying a lot of the same cravings that blogging did
Rory
basically, anything i would say on facebook i say in my diary and probably the same amount of people read it either way
ksionda.me/diary
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lol skype
huh
Rory
and also i slowly build drafts of things that may be proper blog posts that will eventually live at ksionda.me/blog
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whenever I write I'm always trying to make some kind of impact, and so I feel like it'd lose all meaning to do it privately
I don't get many likes or comments, but I've had like three friends approach me in person to thank me for some of the things I've been writing. it's crazy.
Rory
/me nods
i was bad at impact and writing on facebook or other places wasn't making me better
i am still bad at impact
however, the way my brain works i develop tunnel vision too easily to make my serious thoughts facebook or twitter public
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I've noticed at least two friends start writing "serious posts" occasionally too but they seem to struggle with a few things as well
Rory
i need to slowly build my philosophy around something and then i can make a proper public thing about it
so, my diary is available to anyone interested, and sometimes i dive into things
i could be better about putting my political opinions there
i'm still ingesting a lot of info and thinking about it whilst i pace around the room
i need to start the day's daily post
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I think it's important to be vocal about your opinions, and to find a way of expressing them in a way that you're satisfied with, even if it's just short and simple. I just think so many people on the right honestly believe that everyone agrees with them because no one near them ever speaks up.
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You're not gonna change any minds, but you still gotta apply that pressure. Make them feel the pushback
Rory
I apply pressure, but I'm a one-on-one kinda guy. Also, again, gotta be careful about not regressing to "arguing to win" me.
So, I still regularly talk and even work with that one conservative guy I told you about.
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Changing someone's mind is a long term game, not necessarily something that happens in a few epiphanies. So being persistent in a way that doesn't turn people off is important
yeah
Rory
Basically, I fight with a lack of meaning regardless of where I put my opinion. So I'd rather work on regularly writing and I like it best in my diary area.
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definitely feels like getting through to people is a high-skill, high-challenge kind of activity
Rory
I have come back a little bit. I'm back on twitter, too.
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I think I've talked to you about Greyson from gamedev before, right
Rory
Yeah.
Rory
I struggle with the preaching to the choir problem. I think that has its value, mind you, but not as a change people's minds thing. It's more a "you're not alone thing", which I think is also very good. I would like to have metrics to somehow gauge progress and actually develop working strats vs net-negative strats.
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yeah
Did I tell you about how I stopped talking to greyson, unfriended him and everything? I feel like my circle of friends is only becoming more like "the choir" but I guess there are still plenty who i don't know about what they think
Rory
Yeah.
When Trump got elected I had seriously considered cutting a lot of people from my life.
Rory
But I know that I've made progress with friends but not with strangers, so I think maybe it's more important to make friends and keep friends with views I find abhorrent. Also, work with them. Make it so talking about it isn't taboo and make it so telling them something isn't acceptable doesn't mean friendship is over. But also I won't defend their views to other people.
Rory
By "work with them" I mean work on projects and stuff.
Do stuff not related to their straight-up evil views. And I am quite clear about finding it evil. It was a long conversation with a friend of mine.
And a shorter one with my sister.
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with greyson I hit a point where it felt like I had made it clear that i found his views evil, but the fact that I wast tolerating them was undermining my message, which is why i felt it was important to kick him out of my life and make sure he understood why I was doing it
Rory
Yeah, I understand that.
Like, there's a personal responsibility thing that's a hard line to walk.
Like, if they're especially vocal you need to make sure that people who know that you're friends know that in no way whatsoever do you find those actions acceptable.
I linked you to that social change article, yeah?
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I think so
by nicky case
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Yes.
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man I'm always rethinking my decision to ditch greyson and every time I conclude that it was the right thing to do but i can't stop rethinking it as if I'm still unsure
Rory
That's a good sign, I think, though it can be a burden.
I do the same thing with a variety of things.
Hopefully the questioning gets more and more spaced out.
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get a cool profile photo rory
maybe something anonymous since that's what you want i think
Rory
I do the same thing with Christianity.
I could make it that crossed-out K that I use elsewhere.
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I just keep looking at our chat window and thinking something went wrong and didn't load lol
Rory
there
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nice
Rory
rosse made that for me a while back
much better than the one i made
as can be seen here: https://twitter.com/SilentKsionda
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I post so much, I hope I don't overtake your feed
I've had friends unfollow me for that before
Rory
i don't go to facebook.com
so no worries
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twitter too
I just need something to do while code compiles and stuff lol
Rory
oh, i'm trying to be careful about who i follow
i don't follow people who post politics too much, though i do follow people who are straight-up politicians
i'm trying to find the line and walk it
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I tried doing that, but I feel like I get more value following a variety of reporters
Rory
just like i argue with a libertarian about how he's wrong about his politics and also lol at "free-market advocates like Donald" but then later apologize for picking an argument over healthcare
like, i'm trying to find what's productive
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hehehe
Rory
i follow the rule that if i'm not regularly confused and don't look like i'm confusing the person i disagree with, we're probably not making any progress on understanding each other and updating our views accordingly
because i noticed that's how i've made progress with friends
Also, it's something that really rung true in that social change article.
and now i may only tweet things i've done elsewhere instead of tweeting to talk
Wow, really need to pick what syntax rules I'm following in this conversation.
That's another thing I do, I used to be very particular about how I write, but now I try to reflect the person I'm chatting with.
A friend told me how uncomfortable it was when I wrote with "proper" syntax. He said it felt like I was lecturing him or yelling at him.
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lol
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And at first I got all offended because it's how I choose to talk online, but then I realized I don't care and I should really be flexible where I don't care.
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sounds like "you type like my grandpa"
people on the internet are so particular about what sounds "authentic," though meeting those requirements is often very inauthentic for some people
Rory
choice of words is yuge with people with different worldviews
also the same words mean different things
what a mine-field
reminds me of a lovejoyfeminism post about how evangelicals and feminists mean different things when they talk about sexual morality
A Tale of Two Boxes: Contrasting Sexual Ethics
. Not only do conservatives and progressives divide acts differently between the two boxes, they also label the two boxes differently. (I’ve already discussed this illustration in posts on
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this is something that makes a lot of arguments non-starters
like with, was his name tyler?
at some point i argued that this became an argument of semantics and he was all "semantics=meaning and it's important"
now i consider it more important to note that a difference in understanding of words has brought a discussion to a halt and we need to define things
so, like that argument about ageism that happened when you linked to that one gamasutra article a long time ago
and he was adament that it might not be ageism because intent, and i said that the results of hiring practices shows an ageism problem regardless of intent and blah blah blah
people don't understand that systems can be bigoted
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man I hate that. Like some people see that they have different understandings of what something means and rather than using that to clear up confusion, they literally pick a fight and start arguing about who's right about the "real" meaning. So dumb
yeah and the hyper defensive "it's not my fault so I don't care about this problem" argument
Rory
/me nods
that's why i really liked the parable of the polygons thing
if you're not intolerant of a bigoted status-quo because you didn't cause it, then you're letting it happen if the system is already bigoted
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been wanting to make something like parable of polygons but don't have inspiration
Rory
i'm going to put a bunch of this conversation in my diary cleaned-up if that's all right with you
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sure
Rory
cool, cool
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should probably go to sleep now
Rory
kk
sleep well
Fri Jun 16 20:50:43 UTC 2017
Didn't clean it up until next day but whatever. I should go over it and reflect a bit more cleanly on my talk with him and my philosophy on some things.